In Arabic, Hell is called Jahannam. The concept of Hell/ Jahannam did not exist in the religion of Pagan Arabia and hence they had no word for it. As usual with Muhammad's Quran, the concept & the word are Plagiarised from the Hebrew Bible.
In Muhammad's Quran, the guardian of Jahannam is called Malik.
Al Zukhruf 43: 77 "They will cry: "O Malik! would that thy Lord put and end to us!" He will say "Nay but ye shall abide!"
We are repeatedly challenged by the invariably Unlearned & Ignorant followers of Muhammad, that the Quran is in pure Arabic and contains no foreign words; that is why it does not have to explain the meaning of these words to its original followers.
So called Believers & Unbelievers, be aware, that these challenges are built - like most of Muhammad's Quran - on false foundations because although the concept of Jahannam & its guardian Malik did not exist in the Pagan Arabian religion, the words and the concept - like many other FOREIGN words & concepts in the Quran - were actually KNOWN to the Pagan Arabs because of their close & intimate contacts with, and listening to the stories of the Judaised & Christian nativeArabs.
In fact, when one studies the Quran, one relizes that it was addressing people who already had some cognizance of the meaning of these words.
In the Hebrew Bible,Jahannam is called Gehinnom, the name of the valley ofHinnom (Joshua 15.8). This valley was near Jerusalem in which human sacrifices were offered to Moloch (the same as Malik of the Quran). This was the name of a heathen divinity whose worship figures largely in the later history of the kingdom of Judah as the national god of the Ammonites.
In the Levitical ordinances delivered to the Israelites by Moses there are stern prohibitions of Molech-worship(Lev 18:21; 20:2-5).
Leviticus 20: 2 "Again, you shall say to the people of Israel, Whoever he is of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel, who gives any of his seed to Molech; he shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones"
The subject of Hell/ Jahannam appears very frequently in his Quran wherein Muhammad threatened & scared out of their wits, the illiterate, ignorant & superstitious Pagan Arabs of his own tribe of Quraiysh.
Muhammad succeeded brilliantly with his horrendous depictions of punishments & tortures in Jahannam, especially for those who would not believe in him as the messenger of Allah
From its verses, it is obvious that Muhammad did not have a concrete idea of its structure or contents as he described different versions of Hell in different verses and Suras.
Nonetheless, the visual concept had such an enormous impression upon his intellect that he used it to full impact.
For example in-
Al Hijr 15: 43 "And verily Hell is the promised abode for them all! To it are seven Gates: for each of those Gates is (special) class (of sinners assigned)"
Al Zummar 39:71 "The Unbelievers will be led to Hell in crowds; until when they arrive there its gates will be opened (by) its Keepers …. but the Decree of Punishment has been proved true against the Unbelievers!" 72 (To them) will be said: "Enter ye the gates of Hell to dwell therein: and evil is (this) abode of the arrogant!"
At the lowest stage of Hell there is a tree called Al Zaqqum, which, has for flowers the heads of demons, a caldron of boiling & stinking pitch and a well which reaches to the bottom of all things.
Al Saffat 37:62 " Is that the better entertainment or the Tree of Zaqqum? For We have truly made it (as) a trial for the wrongdoers.
For it is a tree that springs out of the bottom of Hell Fire.The shoots of its fruit-stalks are like the heads of devils
The punishments in Muhammad'sHell/ Jahannam, are varied and graduated according to the degree of sin committed. The details of these punishments are not described in the Quran but mostly in the Hadiths and especially by the later exegetes of Muhammadan Islam such as Al Suyuti.
Muhammad's Quran gives conflicting time scales for the length to be suffered by the sinners in Jahannam.
Al Muminoun 23: 103 "But those whose balance is light will be those who have lost their souls; in Hell will they abide forever"
"Faman khaffat Mawazinuhoo, fa Awliaaka^allatheena khasiroo anfusahum fi Jhannama KHALIDOONA"
But in the following verse-
Al Hud 11: 108 "And those who are blessed shall be in the Garden: they will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure except as thy Lord willeth: a gift without break".
Here, the punishment lasts for as long as the Earth lasts.
Another version is-
Al Nisaa 4:116 "Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him: but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah hath strayed far far away (from the right).
In this case it is up to Allah to choose whom to forgive for any sin excepting that of SHIRK or Polytheism.
Al Aaraf 7: 40To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, no opening will there be of the gates of heaven nor will they enter the garden until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle: such is Our reward for those in sin.41For them there is Hell as a couch (below) and folds and folds of covering above: such is Our requital of those who do wrong.
*** This metaphor, as anyone who has read the Gospels would know, is as usual with Muhammad, Plagiarized & Perverted to suit his agenda from the Gospel of
Mathew 19:24 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." ***
Al Aaraf 7: 179 "Many are the Jinns and men We have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).
From the verse above and the final part of the following verse, Muhammad reveals the true character of his Allah-
Al Mudaththir 74:31 "And We have set none but angels as guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty and the Believers may increase in Faith and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say "What symbol doth Allah intend by this?"
Thus doth Allahleave to stray whom He pleaseth and guideth whom He pleaseth; and none can know the forces of the Lord except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind.
*** So called Believers & Unbelievers, please listen carefully: "Thus doth Allah leaveth to stray whom He pleaseth and guideth whom He pleaseth" has been deliberately mistranslated by Abdullah Yousuf Ali to PERVERT the actual meaning of the verse since he should have translated it to-
"Thus doth Allah leadeth astray whom He pleaseth and guideth whom He pleaseth"
Which in Arabic is-
"Kathalika Youththilloo^Allah man yashaa, wa Yahdi man yashaa"
Al Isra 17: 97" It is he whom Allah guides that is on true guidance; but he whom He leaves astray for such wilt thou find no protector besides Him. On the Day of Judgment We shall gather them together prone on their faces blind dumb and deaf: their abode will be Hell: every time it shows abatement We shall increase for them the fierceness of the Fire.
***Yet once more this verse should have been translated to " It is he whom Allah guides that is on true guidance; but he whom He leads astray for such wilt thou find no protector besides Him.
"Wa man Yahdi^Allah fa houwa^l Muhtadi, wa man Youthallil, falan tajida lahum awliyaa^a min doonahi"
In any Arabic dictionary one will read that Youthallil means to Mislead or Deceive (Yakhda'a)***
These verses clearly state that Allah is the one who PREDESTINES his creation either to sin & end up in Hell, or to do good & end up in Paradise. His SLAVES have no freedom of CHOICE. Thus, punishing alleged sinners who had no choice in the matter, is Unjust, Immoral, without Mercy or Compassion & hence cannot be Godly.
Hud 11:118 "If thy Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one People: but they will not cease to dispute 119 Except those on whom He hath bestowed His Mercy: and for this did He create them: and the Word of thy Lord shall be fulfilled: "I will fill Hell with jinns and men all together."
Ibrahim 14: 15"But they sought victory and decision (there and then) and frustration was the lot of every powerful obstinate transgressor. 16In front of such a one is Hell, and he is given for drink boiling fetid water.17In gulps will he sip it, but never will he be near swallowing it down his throat: Death will come to him from every quarter yet will he not die: and in front of him will be a chastisement unrelenting"
Sad 38: 55Yea such! But for the wrongdoers, will be an evil place of (final) Return! Hell! They will burn therein an evil bed (indeed to lie on)! 57Yea such! Then shall they taste it a boiling fluid and a fluid dark murky intensely cold! 58 And other Penalties of a similar kind to match them"
*** Muhammad'sFEVERISH imagination created scenes filled with contradictions of logic such as: "Death will come to him from every quarter yet will he not die" . If he is NOT dead why then is he in Hell?
If he is alive in Hell, where is his SPIRIT?
The real question is: Did Muhammad ever understand the concept of the spirit?
It is OBVIOUS that he did not. It was beyond his intellectual capacity***
Al Isra 17: "18If any do wish for the transitory things (of this life We readily grant them--such things as We will to such persons as We will: in the end have We provided Hell for them: they will burn therein disgraced and rejected. 19Those who do wish for the (things of) the Hereafter and strive there for with all due striving and have Faith, they are the ones whose striving is acceptable (to Allah)"
*** Muhammad's Allah Deceives & Willfully Misleads his own creation to end up in Hell by making them prefer the joys of this LIFE than Muhammad's promised joys in the AFTER LIFE***
Al Isra 17: 39 " These are among the (precepts of) wisdom which thy Lord Has revealed to thee. Take not with Allah another object of worship lest thou be thrown into Hell blameworthy and rejected.
*** This verse is actually addressing the Christian Kuffar for believing that Jesus is the son of God ***
Al Tauba 9:73 " Prophet! strive hard(JAHIDI) against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell an evil refuge indeed.
*** Please note the word Jihad in this verse, as it is in every verse of the Quran, is Physical struggle/ Warfare and NOT Spiritual self discovery ***
Al Nisaa 4:115 " If anyone contends with the Apostle even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him and follows a path other than that becoming to men of faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen and land him in Hell--what an evil refuge!
Al Jinn 72:23 "Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages: for any that disobey Him and His Apostle for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein forever."
*** Ladies & gentlemen be aware based upon the verses above, that Obedience to Muhammad is exactly the SAME as obedience to Allah & Disobedience to Muhammad is also disobedience to Allah***
Al Nisaa 4: 120 " Satan makes them promises and creates in them false desires; but Satan's promises are nothing but deception.121 They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell and from it they will find no way of escape …
*** As we all know by now, Satan is only Muhammad'sFALL-GUY since it is in reality Muhammad who is doing all the promising, deceiving, duping & threats and not Satan ***
Al Qamar 54:48 "The day they will be dragged through the Fire on their faces (they will hear:) "Taste ye the touch of Hell!"
Al Nisaa 4: 93 "If a man kills a believer intentionally his recompense is Hell to abide therein (for ever): and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.
*** So called Believers remember this: All those Muhammadan suicide bombers who are killing other Muhammadan Muslims, will end up in Hell.
Unfortunately, the brainwashed, stupid & ignorant dupes who are doing so, have deliberately and maliciously not been told this and hence do not know it***
The following Hadith is a long but very revealing one during which I have to interrupt to point out certain important items as you read it:
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.532BNarrated by Abu Said Al Khudri
We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon when the sky is clear?" We said, "No." He said, "So you will have no difficulty in seeing your Lord on that Day as you have no difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon (in a clear sky)."
*** In the Bible, God tells Moses that no human can perceive Him and live.
Muhammad's Allah, not being the same as the God of Moses & Jesus, will allegedly be visible to the dead followers of
The Prophet then said, "Somebody will then announce, 'Let every nation follow what they used to worship.' So the companions of the cross will go with their cross, and the idolaters (will go) with their idols, and the companions of every god (false deities) (will go) with their god, till there remain those who used to worship Allah, both the obedient ones and the mischievous ones, and some of the People of the Scripture.
Please note that Muhammad divided those who appear in front of Allah on the Day of Judgment as follows:
1 Christians will follow the Cross
2 The Idolaters their idols
3 All other unbelievers with their gods
4 All those who worshipped Allah
5 And finally the People of Scripture, meaning the Jews
Then Hell will be presented to them as if it were a mirage. Then it will be said to the Jews, 'What did you use to worship?'
They will reply, 'We used to worship Ezra, the son of Allah.' It will be said to them, 'You are liars, for Allah has neither a wife nor a son. What do you want (now)?' They will reply, 'We want You to provide us with water.' Then it will be said to them 'Drink,' and they will fall down in Hell (instead).
*** Considering the fact that the Jews had kept their monotheism intact against all odds for at least 1600 years before Muhammad & his Quran, the lie that they believed the Uzair is the son of Allah is so egregious, it could have only been secreted from the warped & perverted mind of Muhammad.
No human being, let alone any follower of Muhammad, can point out to such a belief anywhere in the scriptures of the Jews.
Muhammad concocted this falsehood - like so many that fill his Quran & Hadiths- so as to make himself & his followers the ONLYMonotheists in existence ***
Then it will be said to the Christians, 'What did you use to worship?'
They will reply, 'We used to worship Messiah, the son of Allah.' It will be said, 'You are liars, for Allah has neither a wife nor a son. What: do you want (now)?' They will say, 'We want You to provide us with water.' It will be said to them, 'Drink,' and they will fall down in Hell (instead).
*** By associating Christianity with Unbelief/ Kuffr, Muhammad made them also polytheists thus very conveniently arrogating to himself & his followers ONLY the title: Monotheists ***
When there remained only those who used to worship Allah (Alone), both the obedient ones and the mischievous ones, it will be said to them, 'What keeps you here when all the people have gone?'
They will say, 'We parted with them (in the world) when we were in greater need of them than we are today, we heard the call of one proclaiming, 'Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and now we are waiting for our Lord.'
Muhammad continues his usual mendacities-
Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?'
They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him …
*** We have shown in our chapters 198 A&B"Muhammad's Paradise" that his intellect could not fathom the concept of the SPIRIT and hence he truly believed that even after death, there is a physical existence not only for himself & his followers but most assuredly of his god Allah also as Muhammad asserted***
Then a bridge will be laid over the (Hell) Fire." Allah's Apostle added, "I will be the first to cross it. " We, the companions of the Prophet said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the bridge?"
He said, "It is a slippery (bridge) on which there are clamps and (Hooks like) a thorny seed that is wide at one side and narrow at the other and has thorns with bent ends. Such a thorny seed is found in Najd and is called As-Sa'dan.
Some of the believers will cross the bridge as quickly as the wink of an eye, some others as quick as lightning, a strong wind, fast horses or she-camels. So some will be safe without any harm; some will be safe after receiving some scratches, and some will fall down into Hell (Fire). The last person will cross by being dragged (over the bridge)."
He added, "So the hooks over that bridge will be like the thorns of As-Sa-dan except that their greatness in size is only known to Allah. These hooks will snatch the people according to their deeds. Some people will be ruined because of their evil deeds, and some will be cut into pieces and fall down in Hell, but will be saved afterwards, when Allah has finished the judgments among His slaves, and intends to take out of the Fire whoever He wishes to take out from among those who used to testify that none had the right to be worshipped but Allah.
We will order the angels to take them out and the angels will know them by the mark of the traces of prostration (on their foreheads) for Allah banned the f ire to consume the traces of prostration on the body of Adam's son…
This Hadith confirms that Muhammed is not in heaven right now but is waiting for the 'Day of Judgment' to enter it and he will be the first to cross the bridge leading to heaven as we read this, "Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.' "
Ladies & gentlemen, we have a very serious number of contradictions that we need to point out to you that will reveal to you all how utterly nonsensical are most of the Hadiths that are supposed to be divinely inspired.
According to Muhammad's alleged Night Journey story as reported by~
Sahih Bukhari Hadith 1:345 narrated by Abu Dhar
Muhammad was alive when he ascended to the seven heavens where he met many Biblical characters such as Adam, Moses, Jesus and Abraham. He saw Paradise while he was still alive and on this earth, but according to the Hadith of Al-Bukhari 9.532B Narrated by Abu Said Al Khudri that after his death, Muhammad has to await entering Paradise.
I would like to ask the so called Believers who are reading this, some very simple and logical questions that address several extremely perplexing statements made in these Hadiths:
Where is Muhammad right now and why is he waiting for the 'Day of Judgment' to enter Paradise?
After all, he met all the previous prophets already present in Paradise including Adam the first human of this planet earth - who lived many thousands of years before him during his alleged Night Journey.
All these Biblical characters, Adam, Jesus & Yahya (John the Baptist), Joseph, Idris, Aaron, Moses and Abraham are already in heaven but Muhammad says, he will reach heaven on the Day of Judgment,why?
Furthermore, he asserted that he will enter ParadiseBEFORE all the other prophets, yet they are already there and he is not.
Most conspicuously absent among the prophets in the seven heavens is the name of Ishmael, the alleged forefather of the Arabs, the one who helped build the foundations of the Ka'ba and the one who received the Black Stone from the angel Gabriel. Why is this the case?
Why are Idris & Aaron mentioned but not Ishmael?
I hope that some follower of Muhammad, one day, will be able to enlighten us.
This Hadith further states very clearly that many of the SLAVES of Allah would be going straight to Hell fire and that Allah will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Allah alone.
The angels will recognize them by the marks of prostrations on their foreheads.
How terrible it is that the Muhammadans are waiting to go to this horrible place. How awful it is that they are following a god who promises them Hell fire. How tragic it is that they put all their trust and belief on Allah with all their heart and with all their passion just to go to Hell fire!
This Hadith continues, "So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water"
Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 4686 Narrated by Umar ibn al-Khattab
Muslim ibn Yasar al-Juhani said: When Umar ibn al-Khattab was asked about the verse "When your Lord took their offspring from the backs of the children of Adam" - al-Qa'nabi recited the verse--he said: I heard the Apostle of Allah say when he was questioned about it: Allah created Adam, then passed His right hand over his back, and brought forth from it his offspring, saying: I have these for Paradise and these will do the deeds of those who go to Paradise. He then passed His hand over his back and brought forth from it his offspring, saying: I have created these for Hell, and they will do the deeds of those who go to Hell.
*** How can any thinking & sane human being accept such stupidities as emanating from the mouth a supremely knowledgeable prophet?
We do not even have a virginal birth in this case. No female is involved. How can any so called Believers accept that such intellectual absurdities are divinely inspired?***
A man asked: What is the good of doing anything, Apostle of Allahif everything is already written?...
*** The man's question 1400 years ago was more intelligent & relevant than the brainwashed mind set of Muhammad's modern followers of 1500 millions!
In Hadith after Hadith, Muhammad's CULT belief system is founded on the concept of Allah's Pre-destination of his creation.
There is no human Free Will and yet, Muhammad's Merciful & Compassionate Allah consigns many of his creatures to ERR so that they end up being tortured & tormented in his Hell.
It requires a very Indoctrinated & Unthinking mind to consider such a divinity as either Just or Moral***
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.546Narrated byAbdullah bin Masud
Allah's Apostle the true and truly inspired, narrated to us, "The creation of everyone of you starts with the process of collecting the material for his body within forty days and forty nights in the womb of his mother. Then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period (40 days) and then he becomes like a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then an angel is sent to him (by Allah) and the angel is allowed (ordered) to write four things: his livelihood, his (date of) death, his deeds, and whether he will be a wretched one or a blessed one (in the Hereafter) and then the soul is breathed into him.
*** The allegedly most knowledgeable Muhammad who knows what Allah knows just changed human biology's gestation period to four months only and dispensed with all logic***
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.512Narrated byAbu Huraira
The Prophet said, "In very hot weather delay the Zuhr prayer till it becomes (a bit) cooler because the severity of heat is from the raging of the Hell-fire. The Hell-fire of Hell complained to its Lord saying: O Lord! My parts are eating (destroying) one another. So Allah allowed it to take two breaths, one in the winter and the other in the summer. The breath in the summer is at the time when you feel the severest heat and the breath in the winter is at the time when you feel the severest cold."
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 96Narrated byAbdullah ibn Amr
Allah's Messenger went out and he had in his hand two books. He said: Do you know what these two books are? We said: Allah's Messenger, we do not know but only that you inform us. Thereupon he said: This one which my right hand possesses is a Book from the Lord of the worlds. It contains the names of the inmates of Paradise and the name of their forefathers and those of their tribes. It is most exhaustive and nothing will be added to it nor anything eliminated from it up to eternity.
He then said: This one in my left hand is a Book from the Lord of the worlds. It contains the names of the denizens of Hell and the names of their forefathers and their tribes. It is also exhaustive to the end and nothing will be added to it nor anything will be eliminated from it.
The Companions said: Allah's Messenger, (if this is the case) then where lies the use of doing a deed if the affair is already decided.
*** Again I would like to point out the obvious that the illiterate followers of Muhammad 1400 years ago realized the ABSURDITY of the dogma of Pre Destination but were too unlearned and afraid to challenge Muhammad the terrorist.
Even more important is the FACT that Muhammad knew what the contents of the two books were. Since neither Allah nor Gabriel informed him, then he could ONLY have know if he were able to READ!
On the other hand, his modern followers are too STUPID to even ask such vitally important questions***
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 2.446Narrated byAbu Huraira
The Prophet said, "He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell Fire (forever) and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself shall keep on stabbing himself in the Hell-Fire."
Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 1272Narrated byAmr ibn Anbasah as-Sulami
I asked: Apostle of Allah, in which part of night the supplication is more likely to be accepted? He replied: In the last part: Pray as much as you like, for the prayer is attended by the angels and it is recorded till you offer the dawn prayer; then stop praying when the sun is rising till it has reached the height of one or two lances, for it rises between the two horns of the Devil…
*** Another very enlightening scientific fact recited by the 'all knowing' Muhammad, the greatest of all the prophets & the most perfect male being ever created ***
Sahih Muslim Hadith142Narrated byAbdullah ibn Umar
The Messenger of Allah observed: O women, you should give charity and ask for much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah, that our folk is in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Holy Prophet observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you. Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense and with religion? He observed: Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense, and you spend some nights (and days) in which you do not offer prayer and in the month of Ramadan (during the days) you do not observe fast, that is a failing in religion.
** The women would not have dared point out to Muhammad that it was he after all, who ordained in his Quran that the witness of One man is equal to Two women. That it was his idea to confine disobedient women to their husbands to the mercies of his Hell.
The tragedy is that Muhammadan women borne in the freedoms of the West accept these degrading & humiliating conditions as if they were truly divine ***
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 4.487Narrated byAbu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "Your (ordinary) fire is one of 70 parts of the (Hell) Fire." Someone asked, "O Allah's Apostle! This (ordinary) fire would have been sufficient (to torture the unbelievers)," Allah's Apostle said, "The (Hell) Fire has 69 parts more than the ordinary (worldly) fire, each part is as hot as this (worldly) fire."
*** Some of the questions asked 1400 years ago are so intelligent they boggle the mind when we compare them with the imbecile & asinine comments made by the modern believers ***